I think that you answered your own question

when you cited the product available on eBay for $9.99.

In my opinion, you don’t have to worry about missing out on an opportunity to become a millionaire. There will be no millionaires, just people who spent their money to join an MLM and chase non-existent money.

I passed on an “opportunity” to join an MLM when a friend tried to recruit me and I don’t regret it one whit.

A word of caution based on my experience, if I may – She recently told me she’s making $1500 a month from the MLM. After finding their compensation plan on the web, I know she wasn’t telling me the truth because she would need sales from herself and her ‘legs’ of $12k per month.
You might want to prepare yourself for hearing how well your mother-in-law is doing . . .

Part of what has made me wary is what I read on the Networking Marketing MLML Watchdog site

It says that Natural Health Trends Corp filed a lawsuit against Terry LaCore, the company’s founder and former director and executive officer. The lawsuit charges him and his new company, bHIP Global with numerous unlawful acts, including stealing their stock ticker (BHIP) as his company name, in addition to theft of confidential information and trade secrets, etc.

The one product of bHIP is an all natural energy drink that is healthy for you. The other product is noni gia – a special drink to help boost immune system and lots of other health benefits.

When you sign up you add people under you in two “legs”. I don’t totally understand how it works. My mother-in-law wants people under her to sign up for a $50 annual fee to buy the product at wholesale price and go on an autoship program. She also wants people to spend $1,600 USD to sign up to be a global leader and then sign up people under that. She get’s cash bonuses when people sign up for that.
Apparently if I sign up in Dec. as a global leader, she’ll get an additional $600 in bonuses.

As a global leader, she earns commission on products she sells and on products sold under her. She insists that since it’s so new that there’s lots of opporutnity for people to become millionaires off of it. And it does seem pretty new – just came to Canada in Sept.

I don’t want to watch them become millionaires and kick myself for not jumping on such an opportunity, but on the other hand, I don’t understand how you do make millions. It seems like a lot of work and I’m not a natural sales person.

One individual here mentioned checking things out on ebay, which is a great idea. They are trying to retail bHIP (the energy drnk) for $42 USD for a pack of 30, but it’s selling on ebay for $9.99 for a pack of 30. So perhaps people are just trying to unload product they had to buy to get bonuses?

If you google BHIP Global you’ll come across alll sorts of web-sites

Many are just distributor nonsense, but some can give you real information. There is a link to a site called mlmwatchdog.com that has some information about this.

You can also access a site that explains the compensation plan. Like most mlm’s the odds will be stacked against you in terms of ever reaching any of the upper levels where people make the big money. I didn’t read it all but it looks another scheme where you accumulate points based on volume, yada, yada, yada.

Supposedly this is a strict retailing opportunity so your mother-in-law should be more than happy if you try the product as a retail customer. But beware of any business opportunity that promotes the idea that you can achieve wealth with minimal effort and that one day very soon you’ll be living a life of ease. It just doesn’t happen that way. Unless you’re the luckiest person in the world. If you are then go buy a lottery ticket. Your odds are probably better with that.

Like this:

If you send me $100, I’ll tell you how I make money and give you a starter kit.

(And you do know that starter kit will include instructions on how to email lots of people and tell them that if they send you $100, you’ll tell them how to make money and send them a starter kit, don’t you?)

Yep. It’s the same old trick with new dogs.

I completely agree

love for the product does not make any one a sales person. I should have been more careful with my statement. MLM companies make people believe they can sale anything – As PW said you need to have passion or/and talent in any business – that is what will make you and your business successful. No one puts a 100% forward when they hate what they are doing or feel like they are scamming someone so they can earn part of their investment back.

You need to take a self inventory and find out what you like to do. If it’s helping people – then try customer service; if its making crafts, learn how to make money at it. This same principle can be applied to any type of business or career you wish to start. Ideally you should at least have some experience in the field of your choice before throwing a lot of time and money into a business you don’t even know.

I agree, there is no difference

If you plan on using the product(s) and love them, then become a distributor selling the products only – If you have to be placed on “auto ship” to remain active – run! Also if you plan on signing others up in hopes of earning big bucks you’re wasting your time.

If you’re wanting to start your own retail or wholesale business, there are plenty of “Drop Shipping” companies that don’t charge you a penny, don’t require “minimal amounts” to be sold, and you don’t have to hold inventory because they will drop ship for you, if you just want to have a catalog or online business. On the other hand if you have the funds available and want to open a brick and mortar shop, often you can get discounts from ordering large quantities. It is entirely up to you. Just do your homework. Most drop ship companies require that you have yourself established as a company. i.e. you have your business license, your Sales Use and Tax ID, and a business bank account.

I think that while this is on the right track, it begs for a little clarification:

1) All businesses are designed to make money. It’s part of the definition of “business.” And those who found the business (of which there are always only a few) will make, in general, much more money than anyone working for them.

The BIG difference is where the money comes from, who provides it. In a traditional business, the money comes from an outside source – customers. Customers DO NOT have any sort of vested interest in the financial well-being of the company, other than being able to support or replace a product he buys from that company. There is no incentive for the customer to purchase the product other than liking or needing the product. There is no promise of getting rich or having a thriving business if he purchases products from this business. It’s an arm’s-length transaction that ends when the transaction ends.

In MLM, as I imagine you’ve gathered by now, most of the people who buy the products do so because they have all sorts of stories built up around the products they buy, the company that makes them and the opportunity all of this represents to them. It’s not a simple thing, and it’s usually designed to cover up something – usually where the money is coming from and where it is going.

The red flag here should be the money trail – who provides it in any transaction and where it goes.

2) There are a few products provided by MLMs that are unique to the marketplace. BUT the more (most?) important question is why anyone would choose to market a product, unique or not, in a non-traditional venue. The traditional means of producing and bringing a product to market have functioned from time immemorial. If a product is SO good or SO unique, why does it need a non-traditional sales model to succeed. To me, the real measure of any product is how well it does in the general marketplace. If the product or service has value, it will succeed, until something better comes along, or until someone with better marketing skills and resources does.

Maybe someone can enlighten me, but as far as I know, NO product or service that was introduced exclusively by an MLM has outsold a similar product on the open market. Most of the time, those MLM products never even see the open market. (Avon products are among the few examples I can think of at the moment that would qualify.)

So to me, anyway, uniqueness of a product isn’t really a standard to be met when it comes to the viability of an MLM company. The standard should be whether or not the product and its price compare favorably with similar products on the market. In most cases, the MLM product is sold at a higher price and is usually not similar in quality to non-MLM counterparts.

3) I often stun Amway critics when I inform them that Amway is not a pyramid scheme. And it is not. Amway is a corporation that makes and sells products. They are not actively involved in the marketing of their products to the public. Any company that uses Amway as a model is not, in and of itself, a pyramid scheme.

Where the pyramid exists is in the sales force – in Amway, it’s the AMOs (Amway Motivational Organizations). Similar organizations exist in many (most?) MLMs. These organizations exist to build a sales force, usually for profit.

And that’s where the pyramid scheme gets created. And in the case of Amway, it’s Amway’s tacit approval of its AMOs that condemns them.

People are lured into a sales group for a particular MLM company on the premise that if they use and sell the products and teach others to do the same, they can build a profitable organization. The cost of getting involved is usually low, especially since recruiting fees are one of the red flags investigators use to detect a pyramid fraud.

The ongoing costs, though – books, brochures and other sales materials, audio CDs, catalogs, seminars (often including travel and lodging), essentially, the costs of learning and doing business – are funneled through these organizations at a price point that allows the org to profit from the sales force, even if there is no retail selling going on.

So again, FOLLOW THE MONEY. And don’t believe anything just because they say so. When my wife and I were involved in Amway, we were told that no one profited from the seminars or the tapes, yet all the evidence shows that they HAD to have profited from them. So don’t follow the lies. Follow the money trail.

There may be a few MLMs that allow for a person to make a small side income selling products, but NONE of them fulfill on a promise of a full-time income or a wealthy lifestyle. And even a viable retailing business with an MLM company will fail if it is coupled with a motivational organization.

If your recruiter did not share this when he/she convinced you to sign up, you now know what the reality is.

That’s typical mlm stuff with typical mlm speak

I recently had an old up line vp of arbonne try to ask me to join in on her friends list and she sent me a personal email, two in the same day. Btw, it’s been a year and after constant selling(at wholesale price) and giving arbonne away, thanks to Vicki’s help in here, I am MLM FREE! It’s been over a year since I bailed out and I bailed out of NTC training trips as well since her last caddy mlm tough trainer email and pep talk that made me quit. Once your ex boyfriend hits the “if you don’t make your sales mark after moving up a notch bit and he won’t get any support”, then he will start to see the light on who are his friends and true supporters and who are not.

This is a typical deal with MLM’s is my point. Go after any connections you know even if it is awkward. If he is going after you, he is already desperate. It is not fair and he isn’t respecting your break up. He just wants you to join his mlm that’s all. It only took me 3 months before the so called “mlm high” wore off on me. So hopefully, it won’t take your ex boyfriend too long to get the big pic.

Btw, I switched classes in massage school. I hope I don’t have to deal with another mlmer in class, plus a teacher doing it. He is a good teacher and really helped me in class, but messed up when he gave a whole mlm speech about aromatherapy oils one day the speech would have made you all puke. I can’t believe they allowed that in the program! It’s a good school overall. Basically, this one girl only would exchange massages with anyone who would by from her or listen to her, uhg. He used mlm speak in class to. I think the school is just oblivious to what is going on.

I had to put up with “oh she must not like you” just because I walked away while she(1 classmate) gave her speach about candle mlm’s. She actually wondered why I didn’t sit with her during break. Jeeze.
Total bull.

Well hope this helps.

Yep – super-fishy

Possibly illegal – by pretending to be under the aegis of Warren Buffet? Just because Berkshire Hathtaway owns stock in a company doesn’t mean that company *is* B.H. And I think that’s what’s going on.

Furthermore, *real* jobs check resumes/references, etc. Interview one-on-one. None of this “group” business. A million years ago, I responded to a similar ad, and found myself in a similar group setting receiving vague answers about the job and product. Since I walked out about halfway through, I never found out exactly what it was, but I’m pretty sure the “management” job was selling encyclopedias (remember the *books*??) door-to-door.

There’s lots of scams out there that are NOT MLM….LOL!!

But I agree with your instincts.

This isn’t a s##

In the strictest sense of the word, and it is not MLM, but walk anyway. You won’t make any money at it. I went through the same process years ago and it hit me like baseball bat at about 2 AM. It’s selling Kirby Vacuum Cleaners door to door. They can invoke the BH name without fear of retribution since they are one of the BH holdings.

You will be required to buy your own shampoo to get started, but that was my only expense unless you count the money I spent on clothes to look professional.

It won’t do any good to look professional as the product is wildly overpriced. One prospect told me he wasn’t expecting to have to take out a second mortgage to keep his carpets clean. What do you say to someone who says that? Especially when he’s right installment loans for bad credit you can go for it if you’d like to try your hand in sales, but if it’s your first sales job, you’re wasting time that could be spent looking for a real job.

Its a scam, walk away!

You have to be extra careful with job ads on Craigslist. EXTRA careful. The scammers are getting smarter and disguising their ads as REAL jobs. I’ve responded to ads for office manager/administrator that looked local and REAL. They were not.

BTW never send your resume or personal information via a job ad on craigslist. Its a whole new avenue for identity theft (and they are using it BIGTIME). What I do is reply with a general summary and ask them to respond back to me so that I can know who I am sending my personal information to (and then see a REAL email address as well). Also, I’ve had 2 respond back to me and they STILL ended up being scams (sign up for 42 free trials and get paid). yeah right. Also, don’t even bother with any ads or jobs that avoid telling you about the company or the position.

This one is a walking and a quacking! 😉

Be careful out there

For your response i think your father should block his number if he is so busy. so are you still single? it is just a question? If so give me a response. i know its not the rite time to ask but i thought i could give it a shot I’m a stocker or anything i go to school and work so I’m just wondering.

So I go in and everyone looks under 30 like myself

The application proctor,a young man of 19, said he couldn’t answer anyone’s questions about the job and the duties, until the other guy came in to explain.
So when the other guy gets there he is an older man with greying hair in a dress shirt and christmas tie. So this old guy proceeds to tell us that he wants to be brief and address the whole group to “save time” He proceeds to explain that he is the general training manager in the region for Berkshire Hathaway /Scotts Fetzer, under Warren Buffet blah blah blah and they are expanding in San Diego. He tells everyone that they are a Fortune 100 Company. So this old man is addressing us very informally throwing out the f-bombs and everything. He proceeds to explain that he doesn’t care whether or not we have college degrees or have experience. He even says that he doesn’t care if there are convicted criminals who are trying to apply (that’s me by the way a felon)because he himself was a criminal in his past. He then says that he simply wants us to write a paragraph or two about why we deserve to work for them. He said he would look at resumes and applications but it wasnt important. He said he was a big believer in character. Well this is very fishy to me since I do have a college degree with good work experience.

So I go home and I google Berkshire Hathaway scam, Scotts Fetzer scam, and Warren Buffet. (because I learned from everyone here, and my past experience with MLM) And guess what comes up? Lawsuits, is it a scam?, kirby vaccuum scam, etc.

What is crazy is that they didn’t call it a make money fast scam. It seems like they are disguising the “money making” potential, with “career growth” potential. I really just want to do the manual labor that they posted on the ad, “be able to lift 25 to 35 pounds.”
But they also said that they had to crosstrain employees in sales, advertising, customer service, etc.

So what do you guys think? I feel like this is very fishy. They said they would consider me despite my felony. But I feel like they are going to consider everyone that was there because it is some kind of wicked scam. Please if anyone else has had experience with this let me know what’s up. I do see the trick though, in the ad it said $400 to $600 a week “potential.” If this is MLM this is a really fucked up one. Just wanted to fill you guys in on how disappointed I am.

I think some of it may be ex-boyfriend behavior

and some of it is tied up in the need for the illusion of success in MLM. My ex remarried pretty quickly and put pics of himself and the new wife out in the public domain, and contacted old friends (some friends shared with me) to let them know how great he is doing. The truth is after years his businesses have turned no profit, he filed for bankruptcy, and has financial troubles too numerous and complicated for me to get into here. And he needed a wife for financial support. Perhaps your ex and mine needed to show that even if their former wife/girlfriend did not support the MLM way of life, their new partner does. I feel sorry for all of them.

Seems like a need to put out an illusory image that he is on top of his game business- or relationship-wise. I wouldn’t worry either, because your family and friends are not going to be fooled.

Hope this ends swiftly and soon!

So sorry you are having to deal with this. I would be freaked out too. I haven’t dated any MLMers but did break up with someone who harrassed me afterwards. I was young, so my father demanded his phone number and called him. I never heard from him again. My father is also a busy, intelligent man. I wouldn’t worry about your ex contacting your dad, I’m sure he can handle himself.

If it were me, I would forewarn my friends/family and let them know where I stood (anti mlm and would be hurt if they entertained his lunacy). Beyond that, there’s not a whole lot you can do unless he continues and starts crossing any lines that scream of true harrassment.

Tell anyone that he may be in contact with what he is up to

MLMer’s are nice and friendly with everyone! It’s part of the job that I personaly hated, being nice to people I wouldn’t normaly even associate with. I had a friend that I hadn’t heard from in a long time because she got married and moved to NY. Out of the blue she called “to see how I was doing”. I was excited to hear from her and told her everything going on in my life. Two weeks later, exactly, she called me again and asked “for a minute of my time”. I knew then what she was up to and I was in for an hour of waisted time. After talking shop with her ‘upline leader’ to show her I knew what the real deal is, the upline leader hung up on us! She was so frantic, after realizing I was a MLM vet and knew all these people she was talking about, she freeked out and hung up the phone! My “friend” was so embaraced, she knew exactly what transpired. I decided as I always do when aproached by an MLM to try the product. In this case it was magic juice from Napal. When she was taking my order she let me know how much a one month suply was. $150. I told her that was rediculas and I was not going to pay that for juice no matter what it did. She hung up and I never heard from her again. I am sure I will hear from her when she joins another MLM. This time I will check my caller ID and not answer.

Any advice?

I am writing to ask about my ex-boyfriends behavior. I am the one that was seeing the Primerica clone and we broke up a few months ago.
Anyway he showed up a couple months ago and took me to dinner, only to blame me for all the problems in his life. I thought I had seen the last of him.

I went to a town 40 miles away from my place to see some of my old friends a couple weeks ago. Apparently my ex had been there a week before with some women. I guess he wanted to rub it in my face. He is calling my friends and asking to hang out with them. So I have been silent on the issue, because I don’t want him to know it bothers me. Now he is trying to contact my father. My dad is a extremely intelligent and busy man he does not need to be burdened with a Primerica representative.

My question to all of you is this: have any of you dated a MLM person and then broke up? If so did this sort of thing happen to you? MLMs want thier victims to know lots of people to sell products to. So it makes sense that he is trying to be friendly. However it is freaking me out.